#09 James Cant - The Unknown Strength Podcast

#09 James Cant – The Unknown Strength Podcast

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On the latest episode of The Unknown Strength Podcast, Episode #09, Brenton Mc and Macgregor McNair sat down with James Cant - Australia's first ever IFBB Men's Physique Pro.
Ever diligent in his acquisition of knowledge, James Cant IFBB Pro is a Medical Scientist, a Pro Trainer, Founder of JamesCantFitness.com and the The JCF Shred Community.

He shares with us his insights into an array of topics, including his particular fascination and interest, gut health.
"Don't eat like a d***head" is James' catch-phrase - he explains why the gut is so critical and controls literally everything.

This episode is jam-packed with valuable info for fighters struggling with gut related issues, while trying to maintain peak performance in the cage/mat/ring.

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Mac: Alright, thank you so much for joining us on this, which is Episode 9 of The Unknown Strength Podcast. We’d like to firstly take a moment to thank our sponsors – MMA Fight Store; these guys have got the best range of MMA and combat sports equipment in Melbourne. Visit their website: MMAFightStore.com.au and be sure to watch out for the Hayabusa T3 range which is now in stock.

Brenton: James Cant, welcome to our show, The Unknown Strength Podcast. Really, really glad to have you on.

James: Thank for having me, guys! I was expecting a bit more of a ‘James, how the f*** are you?’ Where did that go? Mac’s been talking this up and I was like where’s my big intro?

Mac: That’s my cue, James. What the f***’s up?

Brenton: We’re still building the rapport. You and Mac I understand go a little bit back, so I think it’s a funny thing cause I first encountered you in your business through your live Q&As on Facebook and it’s really just by chance, and what I saw was one of the topics you were announcing was gut health. So that was something that really drew me and beyond that, what made me stick through the whole hour and the subsequent episodes was your honest, no-nonsense, really scientific approach towards strength training, nutrition and the other vast array of topics that your audience throws your way. You certainly do get some really, really interesting questions and as I’ve said before, I brought you up to Mac in one of our training sessions and he just laughed and said that he just had lunch with you, so it’s a very small world.

Mac: No, it was great to catch up with you the other day, mate. Talking s*** and all things related to our industry. It was a good time! So yeah, it’s great, now we finally got the opportunity to have you on our show, so again thank you so much for joining us, Mr. James Cant.

James: Thanks for having me, boys. It’s awesome to be on here!

Mac: Pleasure, mate.

Brenton: And there’s our introduction.

Mac: Yes.

Brenton: So James, you’re currently and IFBB pro, which is International Federation of Body Building and Fitness; medical scientist and you run your own business as a coach at James Cant Fitness. So what does that actually mean to be an IFBB pro, because reading from your profile, I believe you’re the first Australian to place as an IFBB physique pro.

James: Yeah, so I guess your guys wouldn’t know much about the bodybuilding industry, the very odd industry that it is. But the IFBB, it’s like the biggest bodybuilding federation. I don’t know what that would compare to with you guys, cause regrettably I don’t know much about the fight community either, but it’s like the largest one by far. It’s the one where the freaks of the freaks go and compete at, so they’ve got everyone from the big 130kg bulls, through to the smaller guys like me. And what I compete in is a division called Physique, which is where you need to pretty much have, I guess it would be like almost like a superhero type physique. Would you say that, Mac? That’s what the go is?

Mac: Look, you’re telling the story here, I don’t want to call you a superhero.

Brenton: You’ve made him blush.

James: I’m just trying to talk my way out of having to say I look like a superhero and be perhaps a little bit more modest. The go of it is to be pretty much to be roughly, if you 6-foot, be about 90-95 kilos. That’s certainly shredded as anything and with a very small waist, very large delts and pretty much look like a comic figure.

Brenton: So like in Zoolander, just be really ridiculously good-looking.

James: I wish I was that good looking, but that’s the goal.

Mac: In all honesty, mate, you certainly nailed that look. Everything you’ve described, that’s what keeps popping up in everyone’s social media feed, so you’re certainly on the right track there.

Brenton: He’s a unit, absolutely. As you already touched on the majority of our listeners and members of the fight community, so they may not have a lot of exposure to the inner circles of the bodybuilding world. So what can you tell us about the significance of getting your Pro Card, I believe you refer to it as?

James: Yeah, so the Pro Card is pretty well obviously, shows that you’re eligible to compete as a professional where you make money. Not much money, unfortunately. But you pretty much have the opportunity to compete against the best in the world, and you can go over to the US, to Europe and whatnot, and compete in pro-level comps. And yeah, it’s really about competing against the rest of the world. The thing is, it’s actually really hard to get, especially if you’re in Australia. So far, over the last, I think it’s like 4 years, there have been 4 Australian Pro Cards given out and that’s it. 4 or 5, not many. So it’s very, very difficult to get and particularly when physique comp could have 30 to 60 to 80 competitors throughout the whole lot.

Mac: Wow, and you were the first of the Australian Pro Cards, is that right?

James: Yeah, that’s correct. So I was literally the first Australian to do it ever in the Physique division. I think I’m also the youngest Australian IFBB pro and one of the youngest in the world to get it.

Mac: How old were you?

James: I was 20, just turned 20 actually and then that’s when I got it.

Mac: That is ridiculous.

Brenton: That is ridiculous!

Mac: 20-year-old man child.

Brenton: Babyface assassin. So what are your sort of, your proudest achievements within the IFBB Pro realm so to speak?

James: It’s a tough one. There are two things that come to mind. Obviously, when I first competed as a pro, I went over there and I think I just turned 21 and I was the youngest to compete…

Brenton: Sorry, when you say you went over there, where’s over there?

James: Sorry, I went to the US. Yeah, so I went over to the US to compete because there’s no pro bodybuilding in Australia, well, not for Physique anyway. So the only place you can go to is the US and I competed in a lineup where there’s about 7 of the previous year’s top 10 in the world. So a top 15 in the world. And I placed second in that and they all had about 10 years on me, so they’re all in their 30’s and I got to do that. That was probably one of the highlights and one of the things I’m most proud of. I was first up, first show with the big boys ever and I got a 2nd which arguably I should’ve won. I think I should’ve won, but I’ll tell you that every single show I do. But the second one was actually – it’s probably a bit of an unusual one, but in my more recent shows, I had IBS.
So for those of you guys who know what IBS is, you will know that it’s the absolute worst thing that you can get, it’s the pits. It’s irritable bowel syndrome, so either go one way or the other. You either have constant bowel movements, constant diarrhea that never stops or you’re blocked up. And it’s really hard to do anything, it drains your energy, ruins your hormones, ruins your gains, makes you gain fat, you lose muscle, the whole lot. And pretty much, I did a 10-week prep with IBS. I looked like s*** the whole time, didn’t end well for me. But I actually pushed through and I kept going with IBS when literally anybody else would’ve pulled out and I even went through a period thereof two weeks where I ate nothing but dextrose, water, olive oil and essential amino acids.

Mac: Wait, what?

Brenton: What I’m thinking in my head is like in the Matrix when they’re drinking that disgusting soup of just raw nutrients.

James: That would’ve been awesome, I would’ve loved to have that.

Mac: So what was this, some kind of messy goop that you’d mix up? How would you even take that?

James: It literally is a shake. So I’d have 4 shakes a day of this absolute filth.

Brenton: And was that just to give your guts a rest and just allow yourself to heal, or was it pretty essentially all you could handle without having to either, I don’t know, run to the toilet or even allow your bowels to function?

James: It was - I started a plan called The Elemental Diet which is like a really, really last-stitch thing for people with IBS and small intestine bacterial overgrowth (SIBO). And so pretty much the idea around it is to not let the bacteria which are in the wrong places and the bad bacteria get fuel. That’s the basic general gist to it. The only problem is it didn’t work, so that kind of sucked.

Mac: All that for nothing.

Brenton: How did you actually get diagnosed? Was this like you consulted with doctors and you run through tests? How do you actually identify this?

James: You can go through doctors and you can do tests and all that stuff. But at the end of the day, if you’re wondering if you’ve got IBS, you’ve got IBS. Like nobody that’s healthy will think ‘Oh, you know what? I wonder if my gut’s working well’. Excuse me to all the listeners who don’t want to hear this, but I was pretty much I’d get massively constipated. Like I wouldn’t go to the toilet for 3-4 days when a healthy bowel will move 3 times a day. And that’s where it should be. So if you’re one of those people who are like ‘I don’t think my digestion’s working too well and it hasn’t been good for a while’ well, yes, sorry – you’ve got IBS because if your gut’s not healthy, you’re a prime candidate for having IBS. So I wouldn’t bother worrying about wasting lots of money on diagnostic tests, which like I did, I spent several grand on them. Or worrying about doctors. I’d worry first of all about just getting your health right and fixing up your stress.

Brenton: You’re right. Obviously, you had two issues you identified there: the IBS and the SIBO overgrowth of bacteria. That’s got to be obviously pretty taxing, pretty draining, so you mentioned this elemental diet. What was the next step in healing and getting yourself unto the road of recovery?

James: So, the biggest thing with any gut issue guys is that if you’re stressed, you’re going to have a bad gut. And I look at me, and I was an absolute Muppet the way I was treating myself and we’ve all had these periods in our life. I was focusing on training; I would train about 5 hours a day, and I was doing this for a good 18 months. Training 5 hours a day or so. I was trying to diet as hard as I could, trying to lose as much fat as what I could. I was trying to minimize my sleep, so my whole idea was like ‘Well, I can sleep when I’m dead’. One of those Muppets. And pretty much that shot me in the foot pretty hard. So I wasn’t taking care of my body; I wasn’t relaxing enough, I wasn’t spending enough time with my friends and yeah, that’s what really brought it about and that’s what will bring it about for anybody, it’s a lack of balance in your life and excessive stress is going to massively shoot you in the foot.

Brenton: Sounds like it’s a bit of a vicious cycle as well, obviously. You upset your gut and that’s going to cause stress and it’s a perpetual cycle of just not being able to escape a sort of compromised system.

James: Exactly mate, you’re completely right.

Mac: Perpetual cycle. So, back to this competition that you trained through the IBS and the SIBO, I guess you’re counting this competition as one of your proudest achievements simply because you made it through. Is that right?

James: Yeah, guys. It’s my proudest achievement cause I actually made it through. Like honestly, I felt like death. It was the worst prep I’ve ever done in my life and I’ve been bodybuilding for years on end. I guess to relate to your fighters about what they do, I’m sure they can relate to water cutting. I’ve done a lot of water cutting in my life and it was honestly, I felt as s*** as when I did when I was water cutting for about 10-12 weeks. That is how I constantly felt with no brain, no energy, nothing. And so that’s part of the reason. The other reason is cause I learned so much from it, because it gave me a newfound respect for people who have IBS and SIBO, cause I actually had it and I can actually relate. I learned an absolute heap from it.

Brenton: I do sympathize, I’ve had IBS since I was young as well. And I think some of my most challenging periods to me when competing overseas is, similar to your situation, I’ve got to worry about cutting weight and all of that, and what I’m eating and the stress compounds it, and then I’ve got to worry about like being comfortable overseas obviously to shed weight without going into too much detail. That’s my nightmare of competing overseas, so I really do sympathize.

James: Yeah man, it’s the worst.

Brenton: We talked about your proudest achievement there in IFBB – I just can’t get that word right, that acronym. What’s the actual journey like as far as training, eating, cutting. How is it different from the other realms of bodybuilding?

James: So, as in being in… can you say that question again?

Brenton: Yes, so, imagine like with some of the more, the bodybuilders that are obviously building to be as big as possible. I mean, are you looking to volume train extensively, or is a sort of mix of both between strength, volume? Eating literally as much as you can or do you have to sort of keep yourself on the cusp and not gain too much fat? Do you go through cycles of trying to lose fat or do you – what’s your real goal and how do you train?

James: Yeah, got you mate, got you. So, pretty much with me, I’ll start off first with my nutrition. My approach to nutrition is eat as much food as you can. Get it down your gut all the time and always wander around at 6-7% body fat. So I believe an optimal athlete, an optimal human should always have at least, well a male at least, should always have at least a few veins at the bottom of your stomach. That’s how lean I daresay should be with a six pack all the time. And I look like that all year around, while eating like 4.5-5.5 to 6000 calories per day. So really shoveling in the food. As for training, pretty much what I do is I just lift heavy all the time, day in, day out. Whether I’m in on-season or off-season. Most of my time is spent doing what you call, I guess for those of you who are familiar with Poliquin is doing accumulation phases. Accumulation phases with day loads and that sort of stuff. So I do them with lower training volume, so I guess a higher overall volume, but lower reps and much higher percentage of my one rep max. Probably in the comp that doesn’t change at all.
Will nutrition come into comp? Well, obviously if you want to lose fat, you’ve got to eat less. But I try to maintain a fat loss rate, you know, of around 1% body fat, 500 grams, somewhere around that. 1%, 500 grams, whatever per week. And as long as I’m getting shredded, I’ll eat as much as I physically can. I mean, two preps ago I was eating 2-3 kilos of veggies a day.

Brenton: How do you actually shovel in 5000 calories a day? And you’ve got these gut issues with IBS and SIBO where it sounds like you almost need to give your gut a bit of a rest, how does that work?

James: Yes, so that’s where I guess I’m going to contradict myself. When I had SIBO and IBS, I needed to eat as little as I could because if you put more in, as you know brother, it’s not fun. You can’t eat a large volume of food so you’ve got to be very, very weary. Now that I’m on the backend of it, and I’ve pretty much beaten IBS – well, not pretty much, I have beaten IBS – I can eat whatever I want now and it’s fine.

Brenton: Yeah, so you just manage it really well.

James: Exactly. I don’t think you even need to manage it after a while. You just kind of need to not be a d***head. And I guess that’s my catchphrase at the moment. Just if you’re not a d***head with your food, you’re not eating like a d***head like if you think you’ve got a cheeseburger and you go ‘If I’m eating this, am I a d***head?’ If you even have to ask yourself that question, then yes, you are a d***head and you’re being a d***head. So as long as you follow that very, very simple rule, you’re generally quite fine once you have beaten the IBS.

Brenton: Yeah, amazing.

Mac: Ok, just on that, now firstly – what exactly does eating like a d***head look like? Because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you on YouTube with Josh Blottin smashing something like 10 burgers each and there’s also another video of you guys with 3 boxes of crispy cream donuts, going for 40,000 calorie challenge. Just for all you listeners, I want to point out the irony here and call you out on a little bit of hypocrisy. First of all, tell us about these freaking wild videos and are these good examples for your followers of what they should not be doing? I mean, how does it work for you?

James: This is fantastic. Well done! You’ve well and truly got me there, Mac. See guys, what I did with my mate Josh, we were intentionally being as d***head as possible. We displayed as many d***head tendencies as we could think of. And so pretty much the first time, we thought you know what we should do? We should try and eat 40,000 calories between us in a day. So we came up with that idea and we pretty much aimed to eat as much as we possibly could in an 8-hour window. And we ended up eating 13,000 calories each in that time, and that consisted of pizzas, crispy creams, Nutella, Coke, orange juice, some dodgy Chinese which really screwed us over. That sort of stuff. So yeah, we pretty much tried to eat as much as we could. We only got to 13,000 calories unfortunately, falling about 7,000 calories short each, so pretty much, yeah, we acted like massive d***head. Just trying to eat 40,000 calories, you’re a d***head.

Brenton: Was this inspired by that meme that went around about Michael Phelps and the amount of calories he was consuming? I don’t know if it was verified or not, but it was something like 20,000, it was ridiculous.

James: It wasn’t, but you’ve given me my next d***head idea.

Mac: But yeah, I’ve got to say the business owners of those burger joints in Sydney, they would’ve seen a massive uptick in sales after those videos, man.
James: Well, I guess that was the second one, wasn’t it? Where we went around and we did a burger run or whatever, and we ate how many burgers back to back and yeah, it’s easy exposure for those guys cause they had us chumming down their burgers. We ended up eating about, I think it was 8 burgers each, one of which was 1.5 kilos. And that was good fun. I was massively ill, and quite funnily I actually started getting IBS after that.

Mac: That’s what I was going to ask next, is because I imagine you’re generally eating so clean, when you go all out like that, like what’s the repercussion for you?
James: Look, when your gut’s good, you can actually do that and it doesn’t hit you too bad. So the first time when I was relaxed and everything was all honky-dory I actually woke up just as lean the next day as when I did before, and I didn’t really gain any fat from the 40,000 calorie challenge. Around the burger one where I’ve been competing, I wasn’t sleeping enough, I was a bit too stressed, I wasn’t looking after my body and I was water depleted, diuretics from comp and all that rubbish, pretty much I – my body really backed up after that one. And that’s actually when the constipation, the IBS started.

Mac: Right, ok. Well, that makes a lot of sense. For what it’s worth, I’m sorry, but I mean, it was self-inflicted, mate.

James: Don’t worry mate, I tell myself that every single day. It’s like your fault James, it’s your fault.

Mac: Now, let us just change gears for a minute here mate. I want to know a little bit about your business. James Cant Fitness. You’ve got a very impressive social media following which I imagine feeds pretty steadily into your coaching business. With all that in mind, what exactly does a day in the life of James Cant look like?

James: Yeah, so what it involves is, pretty much my organization is just about 11 guys in there. And when I wake up, the first thing I do is I’ll be checking my emails, checking my social media, replying to as many of the messages as possible or getting through all of them. Then after that, roughly around 7AM I start taking calls, between 7-11. And they’re just with my support team, web designers, media manager, all that sort of stuff. So I’m chatting with all those guys. Then after that I have a half hour break when I do a bit of cardio, and then from there, at roughly 11:30 till about 12:31 I’ll often do my research in there or I’ll be in seeing my chiro and then thereafter, I’m pretty much working on programming, program design. Making new programs and new protocols and testing them out on clients and then working with who I call my advanced guys who are people who have IBS, want to do bodybuilding shows, have autoimmune issues, issues with their sex drive, their testosterone. Working currently with a lot of guys who are over the age of 30 who are starting to feel that age-related decline and we’re pretty much bringing them back up, making them feel how they did when they were 25-27-30. And yeah, and then from about 5 PM onwards, 5PM till 7 I’m on calls again and then 7:30 I’ll be going live on Facebook. And then somewhere there throughout that day for about 1:30 I’ll be lifting.

Brenton: So you’re a night lifter – is that how your schedule works out, like you do some cardio in the morning and then you lift at night?

James: Generally, I lift during the day cause I’ve got an Epic Gym where I train at which is outdoors. So I get the rig out and get to lift outside. So I normally train during the day. Sometimes the time really varies depending on what my schedule’s like. Cause I like to work my training around my lifestyle, as opposed to having my training concrete and saying screw everything else, training’s it. Because you know, as you guys might know, there’s more to life than just lifting.

Brenton: Sure.

Mac: Indeed. That’s awesome, that really sounds like you’re living the dream there mate.

James: Oh, 100%. Wouldn’t change it for anything!

Brenton: So, when you touched on your research – is this for your medical science degree? I mean, undeniable that’s got to equip you with a really effective framework to analyze data results and really approach your work with a scientific mindset, really evidence-based thinking approach. Is that something you’re working on, or you’re exploring your field further? Are you still finishing your degree? What’s the story there?

James: Yeah so I finished the degree a couple of years ago now, but the research is just continued education, man. I mean, as soon as you stop learning, you become useless. There are a lot of really big names in the fitness industry who are resting on their coattails and not finding new research and not improving themselves, and that’s why they’re going backwards. And I never want that to be me, so I always invest a lot of time into making sure that I am up to date. And yeah dude, the medical science degree helped me immensely with understanding journal articles. I can actually stomach reading them, whereas mostly will feel like vomiting at the sight of them. And all that sort of stuff. It helped me massively. But actually the biggest thing that it taught me was it taught me that science actually poses questions, not answers. And so that all these studies and research that people are coming out with and they’re trying to draw conclusions from it, well they’re kind of wrong because that’s not what science does. Science just throws us a new question, which we then need to find another question, to form another question if that makes sense. And I guess that’s why I haven’t been sucked into what I call the “if it fits your macros” trap where people ignore everything else, just in the face of one tiny little bit of evidence which is then being conducted by 3 people.

Brenton: So, predominantly you’re reading journal articles, do you have any further study? How do you actually keep informed? What is the information you’re seeking out? In what format?

James: I read everything. A lot of the guys who are hold in high regard, I like to read off their stuff first, pick at their ideas and then go do further in-depth research after that. So, there’s actually an acupuncturist called Chris Creso over in the United States, and he’s fantastic for health and gut-related issues. That’s where a lot of my focus is. And then even guys like John Meadows, just reading about what he’s talking about. He’s an incredibly intelligent bodybuilder. Charles Poliquin who I feel is 10 years ahead of the game in regards to everybody else. Those sorts of people are who I read primarily, so to start off with. And then after I’ve read their ideas, I then go and find the evidence and see what supports it.

Mac: Awesome. I can certainly vouch for both Charles and John Meadows. Some of John Meadows’ work is just astounding.
James: Oh yeah, it’s absolutely phenomenal. Same as Charles, he’s 10 years ahead of everybody else.

Mac: Yeah, totally. So, look, one of the main things we really wanted to pick your brains on in this call is something we’ve touched on several times throughout the interview already, but I mean, gut health and you know, particularly how it relates to members of the fight community who obviously need to make certain weight divisions, need to be walking around at a certain bodyfat percentage in order to make those weight divisions and all the complications and things like IBS and the like can present. This is obviously something you’re very passionate about and I’m sure this is the kind of topic that we can snowball into a number of other topics, but your research and everything we’ve been talking about, from your degree, why is the gut so important?

James: Because the gut controls everything. Everything starts in the gut. I think it was Socrates or Hypocrites, he literally said that back in Greek times that all illness starts with the gut. And it’s so true. I mean, you look at anybody who has recurring immune issues so constantly gets sick. As soon as you take a look at their gut, you’ll see that their gut is completely out of whack and they need to fix it, and then inevitably when you fix it, and you fix the gut, you make it work better, then the issues go away. Same with like autoimmune illnesses, a bloke recently who I was working with, with Lupus, who had no progress for 10 years. And then within 7 weeks of working with me, just by doing nothing special. I’m not trying to toot my own horn, just by being logical, we managed to pretty much get him off steroids. All these corticosteroids, all these immunosuppressants. So he made more progress within 7 weeks with me than he has in 10 years with other doctors.
As far as fighters go, if you are expecting to perform optimally and perform really good, and have your brain functioning well in a fight which I imagine is incredibly, incredibly important, if you’re not looking after your gut, you’re sending yourself back. How many times have you boys had sparring sessions or training sessions where you’re like ‘My brain is just not on today’. How many times did that happen? Regularly. If your brain’s not on, you’re not going to perform well, you’re not going to train well, you’re not going to be able to compete well and that all comes back to the gut. Because the gut regulates the majority of neurotransmitters in the body which are like the brain chemicals which make us think. And it also has a massive impact with inflammation and it has a relationship to the brain where if the gut is inflamed and the gut is damaged, the brain afterwards subsequently gets damaged itself. And so, you just can’t think as well. I mean, I can go on for days about all of the things that it does, but it affects everything. Emotionally, psychologically, physically, the whole lot. The gut is involved with everything.

Brenton: Amazing. How much – we’ve got a handful of topics to get through all within gut health. To start off with, how much for a fighter who’s trying to cut weight, trying to make weight, has to be within a certain weight, doesn’t want to compromise too much muscle or anything like that – how much does the gut impact your weight or fat retention? I mean you touched on it before and hot it impacts your metabolism, but tell us a little bit more about that if you could.

James: So pretty well, the gut will, when it’s inflamed, it will make you hold a s***load of water. So, if your gut is all over the place or whenever you have inflammation as you guys know, you have swelling, you have water retention. You’ve got the gut, the gut covers a large amount of surface area or it covers a large area in your body, and therefore the amount of surface area covered and touched by the water retention is huge. I’ve had clients who started working with me, just average guys, not hugely athletic or anything, but they dropped 5 kilos within a week. Alright? And they’re eating so much, they can’t put any more food down. And so, what that is, I’m not going to say that’s fat loss, cause it’s obviously not. It’s water loss. If you can fix the gut…

Mac: And inflammation, right?

James: Exactly. If you can reduce the source of inflammation, you will lose a heap of water.

Brenton: Right. I think I saw in one of your Q&A’s you were saying a lot of guys have really issues with that stubborn fat retention, the lower abdomen and that’s often attributed to water retention, which you just touched on.

James: Exactly. On top of that too, when you do have a damaged gut, you just hold a lot more fat around your hips and your mid-section. It just happens. I can’t tell you why, but that’s just what happens and what I see from coaching in a large number of people.

Brenton: Yeah, so you get love handles from having a poor gut.

James: Exactly.

Brenton: So, how can you make your gut healthy? You’ve got these issues, what can you do about it? Is it restriction of foods, is it elimination? How do you approach it? What would you recommend?

James: Step one, don’t eat like a d***head. That’s step one. Easiest thing. Everyone can do it.

Brenton: Cant’s catchphrase.

James: Don’t eat like a d***head and generally, you’re going to be ok.

Mac: So do as I say, not as I do, right?

James: Or pick your times when you’re a d***head, I think would be more appropriate.

Mac: Right, got it.

Brenton: When your gut’s not being a d***head, you can eat 40 crispy creams.

James: Exactly. But mind you, I wouldn’t recommend that cause it didn’t work out terribly well for me, did it? But yeah, so I’d say number one, don’t eat like a d***head. Don’t be putting cheeseburgers into you. I’m assuming the majority of the guys who are listening to us right now, they’re all higher-level people and they’re all people who want to succeed at sport, at fighting, at whatever discipline. I mean, look at yourself and when you have that cheeseburger in your hand, are you thinking that this is going to make you better or is it going to have a negative effect on you? And so that’s the way I look at it. If you think that the food you’re eating is going to make you a worse fighter, then what are you doing? I mean, A – choose another sport and start eating how you should be eating, how you know you should be eating. So that’s the first bit to it.
The second bit – if you do have gut issues and you’re not able to manage them, you need to look at your stress, so you need to fix up how well you’re sleeping and your rest time. I mean, you guys will both attest to this. In this modern age, we love being go, go, go, go. And working 14-16 hours a day and not resting. I’m a big offender of that. The thing is, we need to balance our time out and we need to make sure that we’re getting quality sleep, and so I recommend a minimum of 8, optimally 10 hours of sleep and making sure that you’re actually supplementing your sleep so that when you sleep, like you sleep hard. Your head should touch the pillow and you should be out for the next 8-10 hours.

Brenton: Right, 10 hours. I mean, I get the idea from my own personal experience. I probably need around 10 hours, but I try to convince myself that I only need 8 and I only ever feel close to optimal around 10, so that’s interesting.

James: Yeah man, I’m exactly the same as you. I mean, we can function – we can function off 6 if we really wanted to, but you feel like crap, don’t you?

Brenton: Yeah, absolutely.

Mac: I guess the other thing is it depends what you’re adapted to.

James: To an extent. I think the adaptation actually is more for how well you can function with it, not for how good your health actually is. That’s a really good point because I have some clients who can function off 5 hours of sleep really well and have not even the slightest hint of a digestive issue. But they’re few and far-between. Most of the guys who have adapted to it like my corporate guys, they are the ones whose guts are absolutely shattered but they’re still able to have their brain function on 4-5 hours’ sleep.

Brenton: Fantastic. What do you think are some of the really big mistakes obviously people make when it comes to gut health? I mean, beyond cheeseburgers, is there anything that really stands out that’s like a common misconception about what’s healthy and what’s good for the gut but conversely isn’t?
James: Oh yeah, definitely. I guess moving – I guess that goes on from being a d***head, is going deeper than that. If you’re having large amounts of gluten and dairy, you’re just not going to have a good time. Now, people will debate this until the cows come home because they have an emotional attachment to their crispy creams, but you and I both know, all of us know that when you are eating gluten and dairy, you’re not feeling as good as when you do when you’re off it. So that’s a big thing. Get rid of it, you don’t need it. You know? You just don’t need it at all. And if you’re looking to be elite, you’d rather cut out two little things that serve no benefit to you in life for the chance they’re going to make you better than keep them in and risk actually having poorer performance because you’re not looking after yourself.

Brenton: Here, here.

Mac: Agreed.

James: The second thing after that is that people don’t actually listen to their body [35:49] two to three times per day, and you’re getting bloated, you’re getting gassy, you’re burping. Your gut’s not healthy, you need to look after it, and you need to get rid of the foods which affect that.

Brenton: Just on that, as far as bloating and gas and all of that, is that – do you look at that as a pretty standard typical expectation of the body or is it genuinely a sign of something’s amiss?

James: Definitely it’s a sign that something’s amiss. If you are bloating or you get any of those things, you are not right. A healthy gut will not pass wind, so you will not burp, you will not get gas, anything like that if you are healthy. I don’t mean to talk myself up, but I don’t fart. But yeah, if you fart, if you are passing wind, if you are belching, then your gut’s not optimal. It might not be bad, but it’s certainly not optimal. And I’d try to get rid of those things as quickly as possible.

Mac: So Mum was right, there’s something wrong with me.

James: You didn’t need mom to tell you that, I could’ve told you that.

Mac: That’s good. Could you give us a quick lesson on stress and inflammation? Obviously with all these things that are showing up from poor gut health, you’ve got the bloating, you’ve got the farting, belching, gassiness, all that kind of stuff. Is it obviously linked to inflammation if not manifestations of it? Just delve a little bit deeper into what exactly is inflammation, which kind of stressors manifest in inflammation. Go.

James: Well, first of all, how familiar is everybody with like the basic biochemistry of inflammation?

Mac: Let’s say absolute zero.

Brenton: Yeah, I don’t even know how to answer that question.

James: Alright, let’s start right from the bottom then. So, whenever you have a damaged cell in your body, it needs to heal itself. And the way that it heals itself is by inflammation. So inflammation comes in, it eats away all the bad stuff, it promotes blood flow, gets some blood in it, swelling, nutrients, all that sort of stuff and begins the healing process. Now, the best analogy to this, which I’m sure all you guys can relate to is a sprained ankle or a sprained joint. So you damage the joint, you damage the cell, after that it swells up, alright? The blood flow goes in, you get a heap of nutrients in there and then you begin the heal over the coming weeks. It also immobilizes the area, stops it from functioning as well in order for it to actually rest and allow the cells to heal. Because obviously, if you continue using a damaged cell or a damaged area, it’s not going to be able to get better. So that’s the best analogy for inflammation, cause a sprained ankle is inflammation.
And so that what happens inside your body every time you damage your gut or something like that, you get little sprained ankles, let’s call it. You get little sprained ankles everywhere in there and it stops the place working as well. Now, the thing with the sprained ankle and the inflammation is that there are only so many little helper cells out there which can then eat away at the inflammation once it’s done. And the best analogy I’ve got is by using my apartment complex. So I live in a Marison apartment, and I’m sure you guys are familiar with Marison apartments because they get put up like McDonald’s shops and they’re tapped out within 6 months and they’re dodgy as. And it’s like having one caretaker to look after a whole Marison apartment. Because every time he goes and fixes the doorknob, he does a patch job. So he’s done a patch job on all the doorknobs, right? And they keep falling off.
So, let’s say this one bloke has got 300 apartments, 300 s***tily built, not properly done apartments and they’re just constantly falling apart, falling apart. I hope nobody from Marison hears this and tries to sue me. So yeah, he’s constantly fixing these things up and they keep breaking after he’s done it. And that’s really analogous for you – because in your body, if you’re constantly damaging yourself and your level of inflammation are too high and you cannot recover from the damage which you’re imposing on your body, you will get what we call chronic systemic inflammation. So long-term inflammation which is throughout your whole system, throughout your whole body. And this one just doesn’t get better because your healing cells, the things that get eaten away at the inflammation to fix them out, they just cannot cope with the whole amount of inflammation that’s in the body. And when this happens, things start going really, really downhill.
One of the responses to inflammation is cortisol. And what cortisol does, we most likely know it as the stress hormone or the hormone which breaks down muscle, the catabolic one – yeah, the bad one, the bad hormone. What it does, it gets rid of the inflammation, resolves it, makes you feel – allows that sprained ankle to now be unstrained and now swollen and function. However, when you have elevated levels of cortisol, pretty much, it’s like that Marison caretaker, it can’t eat away at all the inflammation and then you get sort of like cortisol resistance where your body keeps churning out cortisol, cortisol, cortisol. And now we’ll take it a next step further: when you have really high levels of cortisol, it drops your testosterone levels down and it makes your insulin resistant. So you’ll actually have very, very poor hormones so yeah, you’ll lose your libido, you’ll lose your sex drive, you’ll start getting anxiety in men, you’ll start getting depression, you just will feel like absolute rubbish. You won’t recover from your sessions, you won’t be able to train hard, all that sort of jazz. And to add to it too, your muscles will begin to look skinny fat and you’ll look very flat in them and deflated almost, because they’re so insulin resistant, they’re not taking up the glucose well, which in term as well lowers your performance in the gym, in the ring, whatever you do. And so, it has this continual downward spiral. And I mean, there are a heap of other negative effects which I guess I could go into but I think that’s a fair bit to cover in one session already.

Mac: No, that’s great. It’s exactly what we asked for, like stress and inflammation 101. Now, how is – so, the autonomic nervous system is obviously responsible for a whole bunch of things stress-related. How can the autonomic nervous system be managed and optimized to suit an athlete’s performance and body composition with regard to inflammation?

James: Yeah, ok, great question, man. The main area of the autonomic nervous system, which is like the fight or flight nervous system or the rest and digest nervous system that I will focus on is relieving the fight or flight, so relieving the sympathetic nervous system and making sure that we’re in rest and digest, or the parasympathetic nervous system as much as possible. What I believe and you know, all the research points to this and all of my experience with clients points to this is the more relaxed you are and the more in rest and digest that you are, the better your results in the gym’s going to be, or the better your result for training’s going to be. And when you have more greater activation of the parasympathetic or the resting digest nervous system, you’ll also have greater activation of the vagus nerve. How familiar is everyone with the vagus nerve?

Mac: Yeah, we’ve got a good handle on that, but we’re going to have to ask you to give us the rundown.

James: Easy, easy. So with the vagus nerve, that’s the big thing that controls relaxing you, making your organs work, your gut work, the whole lot. It also has a very big impact on inflammation where if you turn on the vagus nerve you’ll actually begin healing inflammation, reducing inflammation and improving cell healing and cell restoration when it’s on. Ok? So we want to make sure that that vagus nerve is on as much as possible and you guys are going to love this because you’re going to need to have more sex if you want the vagus nerve on. So one thing I tell all my clients, in fact just before this call I was going live and saying you guys need to have more sex because it is the best way to activate the vagus nerve.

Brenton: This is probably going to get a little bit too technical, but does this specific outcome, does it matter how you arrive at the outcome that impacts the vagus nerve, can you self-medicate? Does it have to be religiously with a partner?

James: Look mate, I just read a study on this recently. There are two really good ways to get the vagus nerve to work and one is to get a finger up your clacker and get a digital massage, or you can have sex. Now, some people really go for both – but really it doesn’t matter how you get it, whether you self-medicate or you have sex, but there actually surprisingly wasn’t a study comparing the effect of masturbation and fornication on the vagus nerve unfortunately, cause that’s a hot topic at the moment, I know. But yeah, I’m pretty sure either way you’re going to be sweet. So just do more of either. I still tell my girlfriend babe, it’s for the vagus nerve.

Mac: It’s all for the vagus nerve, baby. Ok, so what about – what are some of the biggest challenges and mistakes in this area? Back to autonomic nervous system function from your own experience, and that of the clients and athletes you’ve been working with.

James: Deprioritizing sleep and not managing stress are the two biggest things that will set your results back massively. I’ll say this every single day – if you’re not sleeping enough then you’re going to become stressed. If you’re not managing your stress, and I talk about 5 stressors, which I’ll go over in a sec, you’ll not going to be able to be in rest and digest and out of fight or flight. We’re not meant to be in fight or flight for long. Literally, we should have maybe 2 hour bouts of fight or flight max, and then be back into rest and digest.
And so, what I mentioned just before, was the 5 major stressors, which I’ll talk about. And you need to balance these stressors out and make sure that you don’t overdo them. And these stressors are your emotional stress, your psychological stress. So your emotional is like your interrelation with people and spouses and all that stuff. Your psychological is your perception of stress like work or Uni or school or whatever. And you’ve got your physical stress which is how often you’re training. Then you have your digestive stress, being like what foods you’re putting in, drugs, alcohol, medication, all that sort of stuff. And then you have like your sleep stress, your relaxation stress. You need to make sure that they’re all balanced out and they’re all in synch cause if not, then you’re not going to have a good time at all.

Brenton: Yeah, fantastic. I actually really like how much you are expanding on the whole digestive stress. It just really resonates with me. I know I generally feel the best funnily enough when I’m like not eating as much. When I was trying to compete at really low, I sit about barely 80 kilos at the moment, but I’ll compete as low as 70 kilos. And I find myself quite often surprisingly feeling a lot better when I’m ingesting less food. I often feel less bloated and I think that really corelates to what you’re referring to as digestive stress.

James: Definitely, mate. Everyone who’s had it will know what it feels like to have a bad gut and how important it is to make sure that your gut is working as best as it can.

Brenton: Yeah, right. So what are your thoughts on fasting then? Do you think that’s – is that something you rely on in any shape or form?

James: For someone like you? No. Fasting for people who have stress or stress-related IBS, things like that, fasting is the worst thing you can do. Trust me, I did a 3-day fast as well and I felt amazing for the 3 days I was on it, I got stronger, I looked bigger, everything seemed awesome and then as soon as I ate food again, it went to s***. So if you have a bad gut like an IBS-level bad gut or if you are excessively stressed, fasting is the worst thing you can do. Alright? Just a general advice, fasting is the worst thing you can do. Now, there are always exceptions and I get a lot of my guys fasting. But only when we have a very, very big management protocol first. In general, though, for the average person who isn’t stressed, doesn’t have any issues whatsoever, fasting can be absolutely fantastic for the gut but it really depends on your goals. It’s not necessary. If want to improve cognitive function, then yeah, definitely. Go for fasting, that’s great. If you want to heal your levels of inflammation, yes, great. Fasting’s fantastic. But we all know that in general, for sustained performance day in, day out, doing higher levels of aerobic with slight anaerobic bursts in there as well, fasting is the pits, it’s the absolute worst for performance and I would not recommend it if that’s what you guys are looking for. Which a lot of them are.

Brenton: So why is it bad?

James: For what?

Brenton: I mean, in regards to gut health.

James: Why is fasting bad in regards to gut health? Because when you fast, you actually shift yourself into fight or flight. And so that is why your brain functions so well when you are fasting. And that’s part of the reason for it. On top of that too, the other thing is I feel that the stomach and the intestines actually adjust to having less food in there, and I don’t have any science to back this up – complete disclaimer. But I feel that there may be a decrease in the secretion of hydrochloric acid, the stuff in your stomach which breaks stuff down and potentially a decrease in the secretion of digestive enzymes. That’s just my take on it, that’s just me trying to explain something I see with science, but that’s what I feel is happening. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I’m right.

Brenton: So what’s your take on popular systems like intermittent fasting?

James: As I said, intermittent fasting’s fantastic. It goes hand in hand with fasting. If you use it well, at the right times, it will be great. It’s the best thing you’ll ever do. However, if you use it incorrectly and you’re not due for intermittent fasting, your body’s not set up for it, then you’re going to have a bad, bad time.

Brenton: So obviously you’d advise if I’m seeing symptoms, my gut’s not really doing to well, I’m getting bloated, all that, probably not the right time to go into an intermittent fasting cycle.

James: Yeah, 100% mate. Because the thing is you’ll feel good when you’re on it, until you eat. And when you eat, you’re going to feel like crap. And that’s not what you want. You want sustained feeling of being good, not short-term.

Brenton: Yeah, so I mean obviously, my thoughts are going all over the place, there are so many interesting topics here. Do you find there’s much of an impact or difference with timing that you eat then? For example, something I sort of do like a quasi-intermittent fasting, I was doing intermittent fasting for quite a while and I really like the idea of keeping my calories compressed for a certain window and I just generally find that having a heavy breakfast straight up on the day, I just don’t feel like I function very well. I feel like it makes me pretty sluggish for a few hours, so what I like to do is push my breakfast back to almost lunchtime and maybe have a coffee with some honey in it in the morning, and that generally makes me feel a lot better in the gut. So, sort of expanding on that then, just to rephrase the question…

James: Before we go forward, let’s ask: what was your breakfast?

Brenton: I generally like to have gluten-free muesli. I love that Carman’s brand, gluten-free muesli and I have some yogurt with it and a little bit of honey.

James: You’re having a pretty carb-dense breakfast.

Brenton: Yeah. I do put a scoop of casein protein powder in there.

James: Why do you have casein?

Brenton: Looking for the long-term, just to keep my protein numbers up.

James: Man, that ruins your gut massively. That stuff’s a pit – you would notice it big time. Not to knock your dieting principles or anything, but with casein, I find that it’s the absolute worst. If you want to have a slow-digesting protein, mix some whey, pea or rice protein with some fat, it’s going to slow the gut emptying at the same rate and it’s going to be slowly digested as well. So it’s like a low inflammatory equivalent of casein, with better results and has a better amino acid profile too.

Brenton: Fantastic. So what’s the fat you’d recommend to mix it with?

James: Anything. Peanut butter, chocolate, coconut oil, butter. I would get anything.

Brenton: You’re speaking my language.

James: And if you’re looking at your breaky too, the reason why you get tired, if you’re an insulin sensitive dude, I assume you’re quite lean, obviously massively aerobically fit, you’re going to respond very differently to carbs to what most people would. You’re probably very carb sensitive and I mean, you’re going to have that massive release of insulin. When you have the release of insulin and the intake of carbs, you also have a huge output of serotonin and GABA at the same time and that’s going to put you down and make you really sleepy. So what I say, I’m sure there are a heap of other guys out there who do this exact same thing, what you do is you switch to a Poliquin-style meat and nuts breaky, or you just eat a bit more fat and you actually won’t have that same slow down as you would otherwise. But at the same time I do know that there are some guys who just don’t like eating breaky in the morning, just because they just inherently don’t like it. And if that’s the reason, then yeah, definitely listen to your body cause it knows much more than our science ever will and so 100%. On the flip side, and to contradict myself completely, if you just genuinely feel like you don’t want to eat breaky and eating breaky you’re forcing food down, then yeah, just don’t do it, it’s not worth it.

Brenton: Yeah, alright. Fantastic. I mean, so I guess coming back a bit full circle, we’re talking about different, touched on supplements. And you just dropped obviously casein no-no, that’s actually a massive surprise to me. I have to really look at restocking my shelves now. I’ve got about 6 kilos of casein sitting on there to kick to the curve.

Mac: If there’s any listeners out there who are in need of casein, just email brenton@theunknownstrength.com

Brenton: 50% off, right now. So, wow ok. Ready to have my paradigms shattered. What about creatine then?

James: Massive fan of creatine, it’s amazing, can’t go wrong with it.

Mac: Totally.

Brenton: Obviously that’s another thing they talk about having profound benefits for the brain as well. Considering there’s certain functions on high levels of creatine, so that’s an obviously important thing. Now Beta Alanine – good to go or not?

James: I love Beta Alanine. I mean there’s nothing better than wanting to itch your face off. Beta Alanine is by far – it’s a fun supplement. And it gives you performance benefits, better than anything. You notice when you’re training and you take it, your performance goes to the roof and you can actually perform longer at a higher intensity. It’s fantastic.

Brenton: Right. So is there any supplements that you’d recommend for the gut then?

James: So the gut, the main ones that I recommend is 5-HTP, so serotonin precursor. I use a supplement called Resurrect by Ronnie Coleman, and what that does it’s like a mix of phenibute, threnate, magnesium, a whole heap of things which chill you down, calm you down and promote GABA and GABA release. And then on top of that, the next one is magnesium. So not what people would call conventional gut things. You can also look at your digestive enzymes and your betane HCL but they’re more of a crutch. Chelate of magnesium, definitely. If you have anything else it’s a waste of money really.

Brenton: Awesome. Now, obviously – when you look to heal the gut are there certain times of day that matter or is it about just getting those nutrients in, those vitamins in?

James: They’re going to make you a bit sleepy and a bit more sluggish, so the 5-HTP you can take at the start of the day, but the rest I just recommend taking at night or immediately after your workout, one of the two.

Brenton: Yeah, fantastic. Something I’ve got at home that I’m keen to hear your opinion on as well is you’ve got the ZMA stacks, zinc, magnesium, aspartate.

James: Yeah, yeah. Look I haven’t used a whole heap of ZMA because according to Poliquin, zinc and magnesium are competitive for the same receptor so that they’ll actually fight each other off to have the effect in the body, and so after I heard that I thought probably not going to bother with it. And zinc is also slightly or very, very mildly stimulatory allegedly anyway, and so I try to steer clear of it. But I also heard really huge positive results. I know Milos Sarcev who is a big bodybuilder, he’s a big fan of ZMA and he knows what he’s on about. So yeah, I’m sure there are benefits to taking ZMA for bed.

Brenton: Fantastic. That’s amazing, I heard a lot of interesting stuff about the gut and everything. So, what’s in store, what lies ahead for you and your future? I mean, you’re 23-years-old and I think that’s really hard for a lot of people to sink in when they see the beast that you are and what you’ve accomplished so far, which is really impressive mate, really good job there. You’ve got time for another 10 careers, so what lies ahead for you?
James: Well, the main focus is with the company, with JCF or James Cant Fitness as it was called. I just want to make it huge. We’ve got an awesome client base at the moment, it’s always growing and the big focus is on making it – actually completely revolutionizing like the personal training industry, the online PT industry. And pretty much cutting all the s***. Actually, I genuinely I eventually want to put in like a regulatory board for it, so you can actually regulate the online coaching and the coaching industry which is really needed. And then after that I want to make what’s called the JCF Institute – it’s not a mental health institute because I’ve got enough of my own issues and I probably couldn’t help people there. But what it’s based on is we’re going to be doing a whole heap of courses and pretty much educating people on how to look after themselves, how to train, how to do all that stuff because that’s really lacking in the industry. I mean, you guys know there are a few good courses out there like FMA or Poliquin courses, whatever you want to do, there’s a few of them but there aren’t many. And those courses are very highly specialized and only tailored to a very small segment of society. And what we want to do is we want to cover everything and get rid of all these bulls*** fitness things which are going around and actually educate people on stuff that matters, such as gut health, such as looking after your mental health, your stress, how to prevent age-related decline. I mean, currently I’m looking after a bunch of blokes between the age of 30 and 60 who have had a whole heap of issues with hormones, depression, you know, not managing the stress, bad gut, continued fat gain, all that sort of stuff and working on fixing them up and fixing their joints, fixing how everything works. And I want to work with more people like that who honestly, they get thrown into the current medical system, the current fitness system and they get spat out with no results and a lot less money. So that’s my big, big goal I want to get that, I want to get the JCF Institute up and really running and I’ll be very happy with that within the next year or two years. After that mate, 5 years’ time who knows? Bloody hell, I couldn’t tell you where I’m going to be in 5 years’ time. 2 years ago I was a bum Uni student, living on $100 a week. So yeah, a lot can change in that time.

Brenton: So what about competitions and stuff? Have you got any IFBB competitions coming up?

James: Yeah, in about 42 weeks I’ll be competing again, most likely however in Florida. So that will be good fun, but that’s assuming I don’t get brain dead and spud-like that I can’t run the business cause obviously the business has got to come first. That is the goal, I want to get there, I want to compete at the Mr. Olympia, which is like the big, big show. One of the biggest fitness shows in the world. It is the biggest fitness shows in the world.

Mac: The big one.

James: Yeah, so that’s where I want to be.

Brenton: So what’s the peak then for someone in your kind of, the physique bodybuilding? You said you came up against guys at 10 on you, so is it in your 30’s when you’ve got enough time to accumulate enough muscle mass and definition and work out the symmetry and all those other variables?

James: The current Mr. Olympia, Jeremy Buendia, I’m pretty sure he won the Olympia at 24 and he’s won it for the last 4 years running, 3-4 years running. Admittedly, when he first won it, the competition was a lot less fierce, so yeah, maybe 28 would be the peak. 25 to 28.

Brenton: And how long can you expect someone in this industry to keep competing for? Ronnie Coleman I think was competing – it’s different obviously, but he was competing until his late 30’s I believe.

James: Yeah, well I mean there’s another bloke called Dexter Jackson, I think he’s in his 50’s. And he’s still going and he’s top 5 in the world. So you can go and go and go. When I say the peak’s between 25 and 28, actually I take that back now and retract that and say probably going to be peaking around 35. Just thinking about the number of other guys I’ve seen. So yes, 35 would probably be the peak; I’ve got ages, there’s a long time you can do it.

Mac: Absolutely. And you could do what James Lavrone, the guy who…

Brenton: I’m thinking of basketball when you say that.

Mac: No, the guy who just competed Olympia, he’s in late 40’s, 50’s, he’s taken some time off and came back at the Olympia. Do you know who I’m talking about?

James: Yeah, I do. Kevin Lavrone.

Mac: Kevin Lavrone.

James: I probably don’t want to do that mate. Once you’re done, you’re done. He came in, he kind of looked s***. Unfortunately for him.

Mac: I remember his legs just looked like they didn’t belong on his body, do you know what I mean?

James: Yeah, I don’t think they did to be perfectly honest.

Mac: Yeah, so when you’re done you’re done, you reckon.

James: Yeah, definitely. And the other thing too is you got to think about longevity. I want to live till 150; if not 150, 200. And so, I don’t plan on doing bodybuilding or pushing my body to its physical – to over the physical health past my prime.

Mac: At the cost of health. No, it makes a lot of sense mate. Alright, well we really need to think about wrapping this up. Tell us how can our listeners get in contact with you, what’s your website, all that kind of fun stuff mate.

James: Yeah, the easiest way to get in contact with us is to join the JCF Shred Community. Great name, I know. But yeah, you just go on Facebook and you type in JCF Shred Community, search for that, join the group and then my team will help you out through it and answer any questions that you’ve got. Alternatively, you can join my Facebook or go into my Facebook page which is James Cant IFBB Pro and you can search that up on Facebook as well, find me there. Instagram is @jamescant_ or my website is JamesCantFitness.com. Easiest ways to get a hold of us. If you want to email us, it’s coaching@jamescantfitness.com as well.

Brenton: Fantastic. And you’re running almost daily Q&As at the moment, which I highly recommend.
James: Yeah, every single day about 7:30 PM Sydney time. Bar when I’ve got an opportunity like this to talk with you guys, I’ll be online doing my Q&A’s, so yeah, I’ll be there.

Brenton: Fantastic. Those Q&A’s are amazing, I mean you cover a lot of different topics. I mean, so much stuff that I wouldn’t be able to jam into one podcast, like tonight. So we really had to just hone in on one thing like gut health, and you speak about a lot of different things, so they come with my endorsement.

Mac: Absolutely.

James: I appreciate it.

Mac: For sure man. Just before we head off, is there any upcoming projects or anything you’d like to spread the word about that you’ve got happening?

James: Upcoming projects, not really to be perfectly honest. Just the Q&A’s – they’re the biggest things that we can actually give. I don’t want to tell all your listeners about what I’m selling or doing or anything like that. I’d actually rather give them something, so the biggest thing is the Q&A’s. Go on there, learn a lot, we will put out a heap of info for you, ask questions. And pretty much we’re just here to help you, that’s the main thing. Because not enough people do that in this industry, or so I feel.

Mac: Yeah, totally agree.

Brenton: Amazing.

Mac: Alright mate, thank you so, so much for your time. We really appreciate you coming on the show. You’ve been super helpful shedding light on a whole bunch of different topics.

Brenton: Shredding light and shredding bodies.

Mac: It’s been an absolute pleasure mate. Anytime you’re in Melbourne, you’ve got to hit me up again and we’ll go sit down and talk s*** one more time.

James: Yeah, 100%. Alright boys, well thank you very much for having me, it’s been a pleasure. And thank you to everybody for listening.

Brenton: Fantastic James, an honor. Thank you.

Mac: An honor, mate. We’ll see you next time, cheers!

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